Remove "Obtain xp bottle"

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Sugus84652 messagesstarted Aug 10, 2026, 11:46 PM

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Sugus846OP2 months ago(edited)

At least for me it happened already a couple times that games have come down to whoever can roll faster the 14% slop chance of an xp bottle generating in an iron shipwreck, and it feels like the circumstances to go max out a cleric are almost never met and just too slow to compete against a potential lucky roll on the other side (maybe there's some tech I'm unaware of, please tell me if that's the case).

That being said, as way more balanced shipwreck goals like "Eat sus stew" or "Eat poisonous potato" are already abundant in Draftout, I don't think this needs a replacement for that matter.

On the other hand, for hard villager trading goals I can only think of "Obtain chainmail armor" or "Eat cake/cookie", so if you believe it a problem maybe a good addition to this that could compensate for the cleric maxing would be to add "Trade for an explorer map*".
This trade requires an apprentice level cartographer, which takes roughly two stacks of paper, and the map itself always costs 8 emeralds and a compass, which may potentially require redstone if the compass is not found in the village chests.
Just like with the bottle, this probably will take some time out in the ocean with ships and sugar cane, but that time will generally be consistent and the goal will in all cases require going to a village unlike the other one.

*The phrasing "trade for" would be just for people to not get tangled with bt maps.

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marvel2 months ago

does this take into account the map changes coming?

Sugus846OP2 months ago

No, I haven't really been following the recent snapshots

Sugus846OP2 months ago

Would it be a problem??

Uniquepotatoes2 months ago

i still think xp bottle rates in ship wrecks should be standardized

Threadfinn2 months ago

Explorer map is much more difficult to trade for than xp bottle

noura 🜛2 months ago

villager trades won't change in 26.3

Sugus846OP2 months ago

It is, but it doesn't have a slop alternative, and thats the point

marvel2 months ago

i dunno, i just saw all maps are changing in some way

Threadfinn2 months ago

If it's just "any explorer map" then that just means find a shipwreck

Threadfinn2 months ago

And if not then there's rng on which explorer map you get

Sugus846OP2 months ago

Btw theres a reason why I haven't named this "Replace with ...", and it's just that I believe the best decision would be to just remove the goal and that's it

Sugus846OP2 months ago

Bro it wouldn't matter, just like the goal "eat sus stew" doesn't care what kind of sus stew you eat

Threadfinn2 months ago

ok so then trading would NEVER be a good idea

Sugus846OP2 months ago

Trading would be the only option mate

Threadfinn2 months ago

why get 2 stacks of paper when you could just loot a single map chest?

Threadfinn2 months ago

bt map

Threadfinn2 months ago

it's an explorer map

Sugus846OP2 months ago

Have u read the post?

noura 🜛2 months ago

op already said the goal should be to trade for a map lol

noura 🜛2 months ago

note the last paragraph

Threadfinn2 months ago

OK I may have read that as obtain

Threadfinn2 months ago

and I swear that last bit wasn't there but I'm probably just blind mb

Sugus846OP2 months ago

lmao but note that even if it was "obtain" the bt map isnt technically an explorer map

Sugus846OP2 months ago

Threadfinn2 months ago

it is on the wiki

Threadfinn2 months ago

Ok but why not make the goal "trade for an xp bottle"?

Coinly2 months ago

theres already chainmail

Sugus846OP2 months ago

Ok now that's my bad

Threadfinn2 months ago

If you want to force trading, xp bottle isn't even hard to trade for, you need 10 emeralds, a brewing stand, and 60 gold (7 blocks)

Threadfinn2 months ago(edited)

less gold if it's an igloo seed

Threadfinn2 months ago

Imo the obtain xp bottle goal is only bad because most people don't play it correctly. Yes there is some rng, but in general if people didn't just rely on shipwrecks it would be more skill based. You can get enough gold from either 1 monument, 1 bastion, or an average of 3 ruined portals, and 10 emeralds from just 1-2 ships.

Threadfinn2 months ago

If it's obtained early game it usually favors whoever committed to ocean first, although it can be rng if there's multiple ships equidistant from spawn.

Sugus846OP2 months ago

Ok I see ur point

Sugus846OP2 months ago

Actually thanks for that man

Threadfinn2 months ago

I see now what happened. my brain took the "obtain" from here and added it to the last sentence. And the last paragraph was cut off and I missed it when I scrolled down. Still a skill issue though

Sugus846OP2 months ago

Dw man, I think my comment on ur confusion was actually quite condescending given the fact that my blind ass didn't even see the bt map as an "explorer" in the wiki hahahh

Sugus846OP2 months ago

So I'm srry for that

Threadfinn2 months ago

No it's all good

Threadfinn2 months ago

I understand the frustration of arguing against someone who doesn't seem to have read anything you've said

Threadfinn2 months ago

Even if I did read it I clearly didn't understand that part correctly

Threadfinn2 months ago

And hey I learned that even though I don't really notice any other effects until at least 3, 2 beers apparently makes me dyslexic

Threadfinn2 months ago

And GG I had no internet so these didn't send until now

Threadfinn2 months ago(edited)

I don't understand the message order here, why did the only one I typed with internet send in the middle?
Ok actually that was just a bug on my end everything seems correct

CompactFace2 months ago

This is a pretty respectful convo. Yay!

awesomeSallad2 months ago

trading for xp bottle actually needs 72 gold, or 8 blocks (on top of the 10 emeralds to get to get gold trade at level 2 and the 3 emeralds to trade for the actual bottle)

Threadfinn2 months ago

The first 12 trades are discounted

Uniquepotatoes2 months ago

yeah or you can just get a few more emerald and do it with like 20 golds

Threadfinn2 months ago(edited)

You just need 10 emeralds. Then 12 gold trades (24 gold). Wait for level up and restock, do a few more gold trades, wait for level up and do the remaining gold trades to get master. Then buy it with some of the emeralds you got by selling gold.

Threadfinn2 months ago

42/70 emeralds with 0 gold depending on whether you get the glass bottle trade.

Threadfinn2 months ago

Or yeah anywhere in between