Chainmail - Either Add or Remove Guarantee

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Threadfinn48 messagesstarted Aug 12, 2026, 8:25 PM

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ThreadfinnOP2 months ago

Currently chainmail is a guaranteed trade from level 3 armorer villagers. In vanilla without this guarantee it would be 95%.
Chainmail chestplate also has a 17.6% chance to be found in woodland mansion chests. I believe it is typically ~5 loot chests per mansion on average, although this can vary significantly. I also might be wrong on the odds of chests generating. This would give chainmail also a high chance of being found in any given mansion. If one method with a high chance of success is being guaranteed, it makes sense to guarantee the other method that also has a high chance of success.

ThreadfinnOP2 months ago

I understand the reasoning for the guaranteed trade, since on a seed without a mansion there is no alternative and it can be time consuming to get a 2nd villager. However, this does remove the variance of one player potentially being in a better position to level up a 2nd armorer, for example if one player got a stack of emeralds from a trial chamber. A vanilla 95% chance is much higher than the 67% chance for trades such as pumpkin pie or ender pearls but it still feels a bit strange to guarantee one trade but not others, especially when pearls are guaranteed from piglin bartering.

ThreadfinnOP2 months ago

There is an issue with mansions that have 0 loot chests since then it can't be guaranteed since there's nowhere to force it. This at least has some skill in quickly recognizing that there are no chest rooms, although it does still force the player to enter the mansion to look.

ThreadfinnOP2 months ago

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ThreadfinnOP2 months ago

Add Guarantee to mansion.

ThreadfinnOP2 months ago

Remove guarantee from villagers

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ThreadfinnOP2 months ago

Leave it as is

GracefulBeauty2 months ago(edited)

leveling an armorer to lvl 3 after a whiff is actually 18 iron + 1 emerald, not a stack of emeralds

maskers2 months ago

hm yea idk why is it guaranteed when trades are standardised anyway

Lightning2 months ago

i dont think removing the trade would do anything good, except the game takes longer

Lightning2 months ago

but yeah also its standardized anyway

ThreadfinnOP2 months ago

I mainly meant that if one player is chopping logs for emeralds, while the other player has a stack of emeralds already, getting a 2nd level 2 villager is easier.
It costs 26 emeralds to get it from level 1 -> 2, and 18 iron for 2 -> 3

ThreadfinnOP2 months ago

Also the chance in vanilla is higher at level 2 than 3

ThreadfinnOP2 months ago

So if you have excess emeralds, in vanilla a 2nd villager is probably better, but in draftout you want the level 3 guarantee

GracefulBeauty2 months ago

i think if you already have the emeralds, surely it's still better to go for a 2nd villager in draftout. but it does change the risk/reward in general ofc

GracefulBeauty2 months ago

because iron and emeralds are separate resources so why not roll again

GracefulBeauty2 months ago

unless you also have the iron :p

maskers2 months ago

also huh i was convinced it was guaranteed lvl 2 right now & 27 emeralds is always enough but i think im wrong yeah

GracefulBeauty2 months ago(edited)

we could also add a guarantee to second lvl 2 armorer
so if lvl 2 armorer whiffs, you have guarantee on both lvl 3 and second villager to lvl 2 and can choose either one

ThreadfinnOP2 months ago

Yeah the guarantee is level 3, level 2 is still the vanilla 5/6

ThreadfinnOP2 months ago

that's an interesting idea

ThreadfinnOP2 months ago

I think that actually would be good

ThreadfinnOP2 months ago

Because say you get to level 2 and have no iron or emeralds left over. You could choose between either trading for more emeralds or trying to find iron, more vanilla choice without the risk that the emeralds fails.

maskers2 months ago(edited)

In vanilla without this guarantee it would be 95%

is it not

to whiff, which would be ~98.3%

ThreadfinnOP2 months ago

Level 2: 50% to fail first slot. If fails, then 33% to fail 2nd slot. 1/6 to fail level 2
Level 3: 60% to fail first slot. If fails, then 50% to fail 2nd slot. 3/10 to fail level 3.
3/60 to fail overall, 5%.

ThreadfinnOP2 months ago(edited)

I'm not sure what the last 1/3 is for on what you put

maskers2 months ago

theres 3 slots in level 3?

maskers2 months ago

for the last lvl 3 slot

ThreadfinnOP2 months ago

no there's just 2 slots

ThreadfinnOP2 months ago

idk why the wiki says 3

ThreadfinnOP2 months ago

oh wait I do know

ThreadfinnOP2 months ago

In bedrock there's 3, both the lava and diamond trade are guaranteed and the rest are a 1/3

maskers2 months ago

oh thats bedrock only yeah mb

ThreadfinnOP2 months ago

tbh I hadn't even looked at that before, it is a little confusing on their chart

maskers2 months ago(edited)

it might be an overcook but you can try to standardise chainmail across all trades while keeping vanilla odds

ThreadfinnOP2 months ago

I see what you mean

ThreadfinnOP2 months ago

I guess I hadn't really thought about how just removing the guarantee at level 3 means one player might hit while one misses if they opt differently for 2nd villager vs level 3 after whiffing first level 2.

maskers2 months ago

so like say we whiffed on first lvl 2, then it would be
7/10 for it to exist on both next lvl 2 and lvl 3
5/6-7/10 for it to exist only on next lvl 2
1/6 for it to exist on neither

decent chance i messed up the numbers

ThreadfinnOP2 months ago

that seems right

ThreadfinnOP2 months ago

I think the only issue is if you hit the 1/36 that level 2 misses twice, it would be hard to implement for the 3rd trade maybe

maskers2 months ago

the implementation would probably look something like
pick a number from 0 to 1
if the chance of you getting chainmail from match start up to that point is higher than that number, give you a chainmail trade
else don't give you a chainmail trade

ThreadfinnOP2 months ago

That actually makes a lot of sense

maskers2 months ago

similar to how ranked standardises perch except on a lot simpler scale

ThreadfinnOP2 months ago

Yeah that would be easy

maskers2 months ago

i kinda dislike how its just a completely non vanilla mechanic youd likely not know that could affect your decision
like maybe you would go for chainmail earlier if you know its guaranteed

Lightning2 months ago

i mean idt more than 5 people would even know the vanilla mechanic, but also i agree with you, why change vanilla when its standard already

Lightning2 months ago

ig it can be confusing when you always get chainmail so you think its guaranteed and then the 80th time you suddenly whiff

Lightning2 months ago

tldr im fine either way lol