Standardize Wheat Seeds from Short Grass, and Bone Meal on crops

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GracefulBeauty45 messagesstarted Aug 23, 2026, 3:02 AM

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GracefulBeautyOP2 months ago(edited)

I checked a replay and counted short grass. I got my first wheat seed on the 22nd short grass that I punched, while my opponent got their first on the 10th and their second on the 11th that they punched. This allowed them to get Breed Chickens ~20s faster than I possibly could have because we were in a forest without a lot of short grass around.

EDIT: Also, it turns out that bone meal is not standardized, meaning it may take you 3 bone meal to grow a beetroot seed to maturity while it takes 8 bone meal for the opponent. This should be standardized too, per crop type.

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sugaarush2 months ago

absolutely agree, but i was wondering if the issue stems from punch short grass and tall grass in a different order

GracefulBeautyOP2 months ago

it was all short grass, although we were both punching leaf litter at the same time

sugaarush2 months ago

similar to how killing a mob with looting and then without can give u different drops than if u kill without looting and then with looting

sugaarush2 months ago

o huh u said tall grass in the post tho aga

GracefulBeautyOP2 months ago

i feel like short grass used to be called tall grass to differentiate it from grass block

sugaarush2 months ago

tall grass is the two block one fs. i don’t remember what the short grass or grass block naming is

GracefulBeautyOP2 months ago

ok so short grass used to be called "Grass" until 1.20.3 in Dec 2023 lol

sugaarush2 months ago

also would like to mention leaf drops bc they can matter a lot for apple and sapling drops

GracefulBeautyOP2 months ago

i am wondering now what other rng block drops are not standardized

GracefulBeautyOP2 months ago

could test in a lobby tbh

sugaarush2 months ago

i wonder if this is a bug more than a missing feature

GracefulBeautyOP2 months ago(edited)

i'll update this message with findings from lobby:
- crop yields are standardized, but bone meal required per crop is NOT standardized (potato, carrot, wheat, pumpkin stem, melon stem, beetroot, sweet berries, cocoa beans)
- note that bone meal on sweet berries / cocoa beans does not have rng in vanilla anyways
- composter levels are standardized for leaf litter
- drops from leaves are standardized (oak, mangrove, azalea, flowering azalea)
- drops from ores are standardized (copper, redstone, lapis, nether gold) but are standardized SEPARATELY from their deepslate variants (think leather from cow vs horse)
- drops from glowstone, creaking heart, sea lantern, and gravel are standardized
- drops from dead bush, fern, and large fern are standardized
- drops from short grass are NOT standardized
- drops from tall grass standardized, but the top and bottom halves are standardized SEPARATELY from each other (think leather from cow vs horse)
- cat taming is standardized

noura 🜛2 months ago

were both of you breaking the same half of the tall grass? i wonder if it's different if one person only broke the bottom half and the other broke top

noura 🜛2 months ago

every loot table is standardized and seed dependent, the only ones that are gonna be weird are niche edge cases like this one

noura 🜛2 months ago

it's like how a couple versions ago you would have been able to mine the top half of an iron door with your fist and it'd drop, but it wouldn't if you mined the bottom half

GracefulBeautyOP2 months ago

Standardize Wheat Seeds from Short Grass

GracefulBeautyOP2 months ago

yeah so for tall grass, top and bottom halves are standardized independently, like cows vs horses

GracefulBeautyOP2 months ago

short grass is straight up not standardized, though

noura 🜛2 months ago

oh wait mb i swear your post said tall grass

GracefulBeautyOP2 months ago

it did, i edited it

noura 🜛2 months ago

okok

noura 🜛2 months ago

that's really strange though,, i'm not sure what's causing that. unless it's worldgen bs like one player using a higher rd that loads a waterfall that breaks a bunch of short grass before the match starts, while the lower rd opponent doesn't have that happen

GracefulBeautyOP2 months ago(edited)

after the lobby testing it does seem the short grass situation is definitely not intended

noura 🜛2 months ago

if i wasn't at uni rn i'd be doing some singleplayer testing

noura 🜛2 months ago

cause like seed dependent block loot tables is entirely a vanilla thing

GracefulBeautyOP2 months ago(edited)

other suggestions i would make after this testing:
- standardize bone meal's effects on crops (big deal if both players compost leaf litter to force bone meal for a goal like breed sheep)
- standardize regular and deepslate ores together instead of separately (if one player has to mine 12 deepslate copper ore and their opponent only mines 5 regular copper ore for full copper armor that's kind of unfun, although that's the most extreme case)
- standardize top and bottom half of tall grass together instead of separately

noura 🜛2 months ago

i'll +1 that

GracefulBeautyOP2 months ago

idk if i should spam the #suggestions channel though lol

GracefulBeautyOP2 months ago(edited)

should i combine it with this thread or would separate suggestions be better?

giantfungus2 months ago

This will change draftout forever.

noura 🜛2 months ago

combining it is fine imo, as long as the title of the thread is easily searchable (something like "standardize bone meal, stone/deepslate ores, and top/bottom tall grass")

GracefulBeautyOP2 months ago

title too long

ok i will split it out a bit

GracefulBeautyOP2 months ago

Standardize Wheat Seeds from Short Grass, and Bone Meal on crops

noura 🜛2 months ago

pats

sam2 months ago

How sure are you

sam2 months ago

I think it’s standardized together, at least based on the code

sam2 months ago

And I think it’s basically something like this. So imo standardizing player-broken small grass is important

GracefulBeautyOP2 months ago(edited)

the tests for tall grass were a little scuffed. i wouldn't mind testing it again

Ellivers2 months ago

this is definitely standardized in vanilla. depending on the seed, block #x broken in the world will always drop the same thing (under the same conditions)

Ellivers2 months ago(edited)

~~it could be that tall grass triggers the grass loot table twice, maybe? that would advance the drops by 2, if true~~

Ellivers2 months ago

hmm no both short_grass and tall_grass have their own loot tables, with separate sequences

sam2 months ago

would it be helpful if i put together some info on what's standardized in vanilla? rn https://learndraftout.com/standardization is just what draftout standardizes that vanilla doesn't

GracefulBeautyOP2 months ago

it may be helpful, yeah. i don't know what the deal is with short grass specifically