More Spawn Lava Pools Generation

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happykylo37 messagesstarted Sep 25, 2026, 9:09 PM

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happykyloOP3 weeks ago

I have played a number of games recently where there is no visible forced lava pool generated at spawn, even in birds eye view. For example this last game there was only one behind a hill that was away from the "linear" direction both players took. Then later in the game Opponent found a random lava pool not at spawn and entered and because we saw no forced lava pool at spawn, I can't even have a way to contest nether other than randomly running on surface for lava pool or finding a good enough cave. All this to say, while I don't know how the lava pool generation works I would like to see more lava pools generated within the small spawn radius if possible, it would make the game less RNG and more skilled in my opinion.

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happykyloOP3 weeks ago

Also because there isn't even a guaranteed lava pool, I have had games where I loop back to spawn to try to enter and there is just nothing, which doesn't seem okay. Yes, obviously there should be a bonus to exploration and caving, but you should at least be given a fallback if you don't find any lava or good caves soi you can contest goals.

GracefulBeauty3 weeks ago

i think the main issue here is that the spawn lava pools can just fail to generate, and draftout doesn't make any additional attempts due to the failure to generate

GracefulBeauty3 weeks ago

shipwreck and swamp hut seed types very often have no spawn lava because there's a lot of water nearby

GracefulBeauty3 weeks ago

in mcsr ranked i don't think you can ever just not have an enter

GracefulBeauty3 weeks ago

obviously it's way more important in ranked, but on some boards/seeds the nether is required to win in draftout too

sugaarush3 weeks ago

yea this

sugaarush3 weeks ago

and aren't lava pool spawns already increased?

sugaarush3 weeks ago

and in modern version cavin is fairly consistant if u recognize its a big cave system

happykyloOP3 weeks ago

Yes but while there is some skill involved in finding good caves is it still relatively rng based

GracefulBeauty3 weeks ago

finding caves is skill, whether or not the cave happens to go all the way down to lava is rng

GracefulBeauty3 weeks ago

and then you either strip mine for 1-10m for lava or go back to surface and find a new cave, which takes like 3m

marin3 weeks ago

this is being addressed with the next update, hopefully in a few days

giantfungus3 weeks ago

One time i got a seed with 9 lava pools at spawn aga

giantfungus3 weeks ago

And an rp

happykyloOP3 weeks ago

tysm thats awesome

happykyloOP3 weeks ago

yes, this is what i meant, you explained it well

Bompkin3 weeks ago

yesssssssss

Bompkin3 weeks ago

i hate not having a lava pool then theres just a hot stuff in chat bro

Bompkin3 weeks ago

its so rb

GracefulBeauty3 weeks ago(edited)

someone needs to study the brain activity of a draftout player when their opponent gets [Hot Stuff] in the chat

giantfungus3 weeks ago

agony

pancelor3 weeks ago

there's plenty of skill in playing the odds when there's no spawn lava - noticing and remembering its missing, knowing how to juice your odds of finding it (stacking up, running in 3rd person, knowing how to find an air cave beneath an ocean cave, watching your subtitles, other strats I don't know), reading the board and deciding whether exploring is better than staying in place and doing the goals you know you can get

pancelor3 weeks ago

plus there's just more texture to the game if there's lots of different kinds of seeds. removing all no-spawn-lava seeds feels like a shame to me

GracefulBeauty3 weeks ago(edited)

there's no location with as many exclusive goals as the nether that doesn't have a guaranteed way to get there

GracefulBeauty3 weeks ago(edited)

good players already do all of those things and more, and it's still a problem

pancelor3 weeks ago

"still a problem" meaning what, exactly? maybe you mean something like, "the better player loses sometimes" ? that seems good to me. it's a random game, that should happen sometimes. it gives the game a poker sort of flavor

pancelor3 weeks ago

to be clear i think when you lose to rng it feels terrible, as a player. but i also think it's good for the game for that to be possible (not too often, but sometimes)

GracefulBeauty3 weeks ago

a problem as in, both players obviously know that the winning move is to enter the nether, but neither player can find a lava pool

GracefulBeauty3 weeks ago

until one does and promptly wins the game

GracefulBeauty3 weeks ago

it's not fun or interesting gameplay for either player

GracefulBeauty3 weeks ago

even if there was a visible lava pool near spawn every game, "better player loses" because of nether would still be a thing

GracefulBeauty3 weeks ago

if the early/mid game naturally leads both players far from spawn, into an area that happens to have no surface lava

GracefulBeauty3 weeks ago(edited)

one player opts to go back to spawn (slow but guaranteed), other player dives a cave and gets lucky

GracefulBeauty3 weeks ago

but at least then there's some interesting decision-making / routing that comes into play

Ralt3 weeks ago

From my experience it's pretty obvious when there's not gonna be a visible lava pool on surface, either x or/and z has to have a value that is more than 250 or less than -250, so if u spawn like x = -425 and z = 140 and it's usually close to an ocean, u just will not see it. So by deducing this, i from the moment the game starts know that i'll have to find a lava pool underground, most of the times.

DriftSythe3 weeks ago

yea I think even if spawn lava pools are "less vanilla" they introduce a new skill of like choosing to explore really far for other goals and using things like caves or towering up to find a different lava pool or staying near spawn and routing back eventually to enter nether with a lava pool you know is there and overall it would just increase the competitiveness of the game rather than having the nether goals be somewhat rng in some games